Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan

[Mrboo]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan

(01/09/2020 13:12)iMarkeh Wrote:  You do realise that Stagecoach own System One right? While each company does have a say in the prices, Stagecoach officially own SystemOne.

I do agree with you though that multi operator fares in general do help keep fares lower. Surrey Independants have the worst fares in my opinion. Carlone I think it is on their 20 minute Staines to Heathrow trip, £24. You can get a System One Anybus weekly for less than that!

No they don`t own fully they have a share in it and have no controlling power but they do the admin for all the companies in system one. with most of the big groups having a member as a Director

We are a company registered in England and Wales under company number 01848309 and have our registered office at (Stagecoach Manchester Head Office), Hyde Road, Manchester M12 6JS. Our main trading address is System One Travel, c/o GMPTE, 2 Piccadilly Place, Manchester, M1 3BG.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/compa...9/officers
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/compa...download=0

[iMarkeh]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan

(01/09/2020 18:19)Manc93 Wrote:  I'm sure there were many more people around Stockport who were confused by all the recent changes due to no changes on any bus stop plates. I'm guessing the timetables wouldnt of been updated in any shelters too?

All observations i notcied still showed re-routed routes on old routes (7 on bus plates between Reddish Morrisons & South Reddish Halfords), and withdrawn routes still on plates! (309/310/329) No mention of a 7A or 7B, and im sure theres a few 308/312 ones knocking about too.

On another note, due to the withdrawl of services from stand Q in stockport bus station (309/310/312), tfgm have decided to move the 199 to Buxton to use this stand. Why the 328 which has replaced some of these services, and ventures the same way as the 313 was not moved across seems daft. Maybe that was too easy!

TFGM don't link routes to stands by end destination, they link by the corridor the routes run out from the relevant bus station.

[iMarkeh]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan

(02/09/2020 00:13)Mrboo Wrote:  No they don`t own fully they have a share in it and have no controlling power but they do the admin for all the companies in system one. with most of the big groups having a member as a Director

We are a company registered in England and Wales under company number 01848309 and have our registered office at (Stagecoach Manchester Head Office), Hyde Road, Manchester M12 6JS. Our main trading address is System One Travel, c/o GMPTE, 2 Piccadilly Place, Manchester, M1 3BG.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/compa...9/officers
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/compa...download=0

Point being that if companies wanted to, they could still throw the prices of SystemOne sky high so that the operator specific tickets can go higher. SystemOne doesn't necessarily keep prices low as it priced by the operators. For the best example of keeping fares really low as a result of multi operator tickets, you would be looking at Merseytravel.

[ant17612]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan
64 Plate Enviro200s at Stockport are back on the road this week. 19221, 19222, 19225, 19226 and 19227 have gone on loan to Sheffield to cover Supertram Replacements.

[mikestone]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan

(02/09/2020 00:13)Mrboo Wrote:  No they don`t own fully they have a share in it and have no controlling power but they do the admin for all the companies in system one. with most of the big groups having a member as a Director

We are a company registered in England and Wales under company number 01848309 and have our registered office at (Stagecoach Manchester Head Office), Hyde Road, Manchester M12 6JS. Our main trading address is System One Travel, c/o GMPTE, 2 Piccadilly Place, Manchester, M1 3BG.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/compa...9/officers
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/compa...download=0

Even Warrington Buses appear to have a presence on the board

[Mrboo]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan

(02/09/2020 11:53)iMarkeh Wrote:  Point being that if companies wanted to, they could still throw the prices of SystemOne sky high so that the operator specific tickets can go higher. SystemOne doesn't necessarily keep prices low as it priced by the operators. For the best example of keeping fares really low as a result of multi operator tickets, you would be looking at Merseytravel.

And they would have to vote on it and a number of the companies don't have there own weekly's then it takes 1 to say no we will do a cheap week ticket and then system one does not work as people would not buy it. There was once the GM Buses Daysaver that GMS and GMN could of carried on. and same with first day tickets could of had a agreement to keep DNW / GNW as part of the First day group like Sheffend does. with stagecoach and first having joint tickets. also TFGM has a say on System one with Metrolink

[dounowhoiam]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan

(02/09/2020 11:53)iMarkeh Wrote:  Point being that if companies wanted to, they could still throw the prices of SystemOne sky high so that the operator specific tickets can go higher. SystemOne doesn't necessarily keep prices low as it priced by the operators. For the best example of keeping fares really low as a result of multi operator tickets, you would be looking at Merseytravel.

Wasn't there a case where due to First Manchester having a weekly ticket of £18, the SystemOne prices were more expensive (apart from the Young Person / Student tickets) until they reduced the price.

[mikestone]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan
The oddest thing was that at one time bus plus train was considerably cheaper than the bus plus tram, despite the considerably smaller tram network.

[gilbert]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan

(01/09/2020 18:19)Manc93 Wrote:  I'm sure there were many more people around Stockport who were confused by all the recent changes due to no changes on any bus stop plates. I'm guessing the timetables wouldnt of been updated in any shelters too?

All observations i notcied still showed re-routed routes on old routes (7 on bus plates between Reddish Morrisons & South Reddish Halfords), and withdrawn routes still on plates! (309/310/329) No mention of a 7A or 7B, and im sure theres a few 308/312 ones knocking about too.

On another note, due to the withdrawl of services from stand Q in stockport bus station (309/310/312), tfgm have decided to move the 199 to Buxton to use this stand. Why the 328 which has replaced some of these services, and ventures the same way as the 313 was not moved across seems daft. Maybe that was too easy!

The odd thing is that Bus Times continue to show Grove Lane as the destination when all but two early buses don't go down it [and haven't for some time].They go down Stanley Rd instead. This has been pointed out but they just ignore it and carry on getting it wrong.

The public haven't got a chance with this continuing utter shambles from all.

[dounowhoiam]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan

(03/09/2020 10:10)mikestone Wrote:  The oddest thing was that at one time bus plus train was considerably cheaper than the bus plus tram, despite the considerably smaller tram network.

Isn't there Government subsidiary with rail, whereas the Metrolink is (pre-COVID) self-funded?
I know that the County Card is cheaper which includes bus, train and tram Zone 1 than the bus & tram ticket.