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RE: JPT Bus Company - Southernsofty - 30/04/2014 17:27
(30/04/2014 11:55)Owl Wrote: Interesting article in Route One, which suggests that Stagecoach have acquired 41 vehicles frpm JPT, as well as the routes and drivers, and that the deal is too small to require OFT approval, although Stagecoach do expect them to review the transaction, "as it is standard procedure". Not sure what that means - could OFT overturn it?Read the article too, I suspect most of the vehicles will be scrapped or maybe a few used short term before being stripped for spares and then scrapped, maybe the 2 Enviro 300s will be kept, nearly everything else is non-DDA compliant.(Is anything leased?)
http://www.route-one.net/issues/536/index.html#/12/
Also what would Stagecoach want with the vehicles? Most of them are heaps of junk held together with duct tape. They must have better in reserve I would have thought.
One final thought, I wonder if the TC will be taking an interest in the management of JPT given the way that things happened.
Stagecoach will have had professional legal advice, I suspect they are being 'The good guys' at least in the eyes of TfGM, keeping services running and taking on the staff under TUPE.
As others have said the supported routes are only short term and will be re-tendered.
If the Oft or whatever they are called these days, tried to overrule this, what happens to the staff?
RE: JPT Bus Company - mbonwick - 30/04/2014 17:35
It's the CMA now. If they do stick their oar in and order the divestment of the business (which Stagecoach clearly don't expect to happen), then the JPT staff will move with the assets to the new buyer.
RE: JPT Bus Company - WhiteVanMan - 30/04/2014 18:32
(26/04/2014 16:09)WhiteVanMan Wrote: I believe that 41 vehicles were acquired along the business of JPT. and the two Enviro300's 454 (ST59JPT), and 455 (RT59JPT) have already entered the paint shop at Hyde Road.
The 41 vehicles transferred to Stagecoach, are confirmed as:-
-?- R931 RAU now 33878
-?- V323 KMY now 33882
112 V14 JPT now 33881
151 P2 JPT now 33877
152 S3 JPT now 33879
153 T430 EBD now 33880
161 W424 WRE now 33883
171 S928 LBL now 35046
173 V385 KVY now 35047
174 V387 KVY now 35048
182 P327 JND now 31327
183 P332 JND now31332
184 P677 NOJ now 31333
255 YX60 DWY now 49895
256 YX60 DWU now 49893
257 YX60 DWZ now 49896
258 YX60 DWV now 49894
259 YX60 DWP now 49892
260 YX60 DWO now 49891
401 BU53 PNV now 29725
403 BX56 XAC now 29726
431 R872 LHG now 21072
432 R867 LHG now 21067
433 R873 LHG now 21073
454 ST59 JPT now 27624
455 RT59 JPT now 27625
-?- H155 BKH now 14071
501 H159 BKH now 14072
512 P825 SGP now 16885
513 P822 SGP now 16886
515 S148 KNK now 16896
516 S156 KNK now 16897
517 S147 KNK now 16898
521 PT51 JPT now 18294
522 RT51 JPT now 18295
530 W472 BCW now 16967
531 PL51 LDY now 16968
532 PJ02 RBX now 16969
533 PN02 XBK now 16970
534 PN02 XBV now 16971
536 PN02 XBJ now 16972
RE: JPT Bus Company - Mayneway - 30/04/2014 19:37
(30/04/2014 18:32)WhiteVanMan Wrote: The 41 vehicles transferred to Stagecoach, are confirmed as:-
-?- R931 RAU now 33878
-?- V323 KMY now 33882
112 V14 JPT now 33881
151 P2 JPT now 33877
152 S3 JPT now 33879
153 T430 EBD now 33880
161 W424 WRE now 33883
171 S928 LBL now 35046
173 V385 KVY now 35047
174 V387 KVY now 35048
182 P327 JND now 31327
183 P332 JND now31332
184 P677 NOJ now 31333
255 YX60 DWY now 49895
256 YX60 DWU now 49893
257 YX60 DWZ now 49896
258 YX60 DWV now 49894
259 YX60 DWP now 49892
260 YX60 DWO now 49891
401 BU53 PNV now 29725
403 BX56 XAC now 29726
431 R872 LHG now 21072
432 R867 LHG now 21067
433 R873 LHG now 21073
454 ST59 JPT now 27624
455 RT59 JPT now 27625
-?- H155 BKH now 14071
501 H159 BKH now 14072
512 P825 SGP now 16885
513 P822 SGP now 16886
515 S148 KNK now 16896
516 S156 KNK now 16897
517 S147 KNK now 16898
521 PT51 JPT now 18294
522 RT51 JPT now 18295
530 W472 BCW now 16967
531 PL51 LDY now 16968
532 PJ02 RBX now 16969
533 PN02 XBK now 16970
534 PN02 XBV now 16971
536 PN02 XBJ now 16972
Presumably they have given them all fleet numbers for 'paper' reasons only. I really carnt see some of the above vehicles working in Manchester under Stagecoach.
RE: JPT Bus Company - MPTE1955 - 30/04/2014 20:10
431,432 & 433 have all gone back to their former stagecoach numbers, not all that long since Stagecoach sold them really.
RE: JPT Bus Company - Scania1996 - 30/04/2014 20:19
(30/04/2014 19:37)Mayneway Wrote: Presumably they have given them all fleet numbers for 'paper' reasons only. I really carnt see some of the above vehicles working in Manchester under Stagecoach.
That is correct Mayneway, they are only for reference purposes at the moment. They haven't physically been applied
RE: JPT Bus Company - Mayneway - 30/04/2014 21:27
(30/04/2014 20:19)Scania1996 Wrote: That is correct Mayneway, they are only for reference purposes at the moment. They haven't physically been applied
So 41 vehicles acquired (incidentally I believe a number of support vehicles are included), we know the Enviro's are gaining Stagecoach livery and will be retained but anyone care to 'hedge thier bets' on what else stays.
I carnt see the Nimbus Dart being used as they ditched Bluebirds, and I doubt the Excels will see use or the B7's.
RE: JPT Bus Company - mbonwick - 30/04/2014 21:42
Can realistically only see the Enviro300s and the 2 tridents being retained.
I would imagine the Primos will stay for a while but will be disposed of fairly rapidly, or perhaps moved to Norfolk Green?!
I suppose, depending on the quality of the single door conversion and the general state of the B7TLs that the newer ones (51/02 plate and thus DDA compliant) may have a future in another Stagecoach division.
Other than that, I can't see much being retained.
RE: JPT Bus Company - Polo Mint - 30/04/2014 23:49
I'd like to think the Primos and Tridents still have life left in them, I would also think the odd ball Turkish buses will be used although I am not banking on it.
RE: JPT Bus Company - Southernsofty - 01/05/2014 05:44
(30/04/2014 21:42)mbonwick Wrote: Can realistically only see the Enviro300s and the 2 tridents being retained.
I would imagine the Primos will stay for a while but will be disposed of fairly rapidly, or perhaps moved to Norfolk Green?!
I suppose, depending on the quality of the single door conversion and the general state of the B7TLs that the newer ones (51/02 plate and thus DDA compliant) may have a future in another Stagecoach division.
Other than that, I can't see much being retained.
I think it has been reported that Stagecoach acquired the assets for a token £1, suggests they have taken on some of JPTs debt.