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RE: Merseytravel Timetable Changes - SNL 824 - 21/09/2012 21:48
THe 500 changes seem like a real watering down of the concept of a convenient all hours rapid transfer into town. LPL has enough problems currently, it doesn't need any service reductions on either bus or rail connections.
RE: Merseytravel Timetable Changes - buses7675 - 22/09/2012 18:45
(21/09/2012 21:41)CX54 DKD Wrote: Good to note that the 10/A timetable remains as un-helpful as ever for travelling during the day time! 'About every 12 minutes' is a ludicrous thing to have on a timetable... There is no way you could plan a journey during the day. Instead you just have to turn up at a stop knowing you could be waiting 'about' 12 minutes. Although to be honest, 12 minutes is optimistic to say the least sometimes!
At least there is a nice photo to look at on the timetable while you wait! lol
RE: Merseytravel Timetable Changes - moreton407 - 01/10/2012 12:30
Just looked at the timetable changes on Merseytravel for 7-13 October, few mistakes on it!
ie, 93 (Birkenhead-Moreton),160-165 operated by HTL Buses
RE: Merseytravel Timetable Changes - buses7675 - 01/10/2012 15:52
For those who haven't yet seen the full very long Travel News Update here it is!
Travel News Update
Planned changes between 07 - 13 October 2012
http://www.merseytravel.gov.uk/articleimages/Travel%20News%20Update%20-%20Changes%20between%2007%20-%2013%20October%202012.pdf
The following services are changing on 07 October:
4 (Maghull circular)
This new Monday to Friday service will be introduced by ACE Travel, replacing Route 234 buses. The service will be operated without subsidy, the route will be unchanged and buses will run to new times.
5 (Maghull circular)
This new Monday to Friday peak time service will be introduced by ACE Travel, replacing some Route 231 buses. The service will be operated without subsidy, the route will be unchanged but buses will run to new times. (See Route 231 below.)
12/12A (Birkenhead – Arrowe Park Hospital)
12A Route 12A will be withdrawn and Route 12 will be shortened to run, in both directions, between Birkenhead and Arrowe Park Hospital, so it’ll no longer serve Upton or Noctorum.
17/17A (Moreton Cross – Clatterbridge Hospital)
Routes 17 and 17A will run as a separate service, so will no longer link with Route 18. Buses will be extended to run to and from West Kirby via Meols and Hoylake. The times will be changed.
18 (Birkenhead – Moreton)
Route 18 will run as a separate service, so it will no longer link with Route 17. Monday to Friday buses will be extended to serve Tarran Way Industrial Estate.
19/19B (Liverpool – Kirkby or Kirkby Admin)
All Monday to Friday and some Saturday Route 119 buses will be replaced by extra Stagecoach Route 19 or new 19B buses (Route 19B will run along the same route as the current 119 route it replaces). The remaining Route 119 buses will be re-routed to serve Kirkby Civic Centre and will be operated for Merseytravel by ACE Travel.
47A (Bootle – Southport)
The times will be changed and some extra buses are introduced.
61 (Broadway – Bootle)
Two extra morning buses will be introduced by ACE Travel between Broadway/Aintree and Bootle
75 (Liverpool – Halewood)
The times will be changed. The evening frequency will be reduced to 30 minutes.
78 (Liverpool – Halewood)
The Monday to Saturday frequency will be reduced to 30 minutes. The times will be changed.
79/79D (Liverpool – Belle Vale or Halewood)
The Sunday daytime frequency will be reduced to every 15 minutes. All Sunday buses will run between Liverpool ONE Bus Station and Halewood.
80 (Liverpool – Speke)
The times will be changed.
80A (Liverpool – Liverpool John Lennon Airport)
The times will be changed and the evening frequency will be reduced to every 30 minutes.
81E (Bootle – Hunts Cross)
Route 81E buses will be re-numbered 81 and will be extended to run via Hunts Cross to Speke.
83/83A (Birkenhead – West Kirby)
Route 83A will be withdrawn, so Hoylake, Meols, Moreton or Upton will no longer be served. Route 83 will run as a single service between West Kirby, Arrowe Park Hospital and Birkenhead Bus Station. The times are changed.
93 (Birkenhead – Moreton)
This New Monday to Friday daytime service will be introduced by Avon Buses, linking Birkenhead Bus Station with Claughton, Noctorum and Arrowe Park Hospital.
110 (New Brighton – Clatterbridge Hospital)
Some times will be changed. The service will now be operated for Merseytravel by Arriva.
119 (Liverpool – Kirkby Admin)
See Route 19, 19B above.
133 (Kirkby – Waterloo)
The service will be operated by Cumfybus, without subsidy from Merseytravel. The route and the times will be unchanged.
135/235 (Aintree – Bootle)
Monday to Saturday daytime buses will be operated, without subsidy, by Cumfybus. Evening and Sunday buses will be operated for Merseytravel by Cumfybus. The routes and the times will
be unchanged.
140 (St Helens – Bold Heath or Lingley Green)
The service will be operated without subsidy by Hatton’s. The route and the times will be unchanged.
141 (St Helens – Newton-le-Willows)
Monday to Saturday daytime buses will be operated, without subsidy, by Hatton’s. These buses will be re-routed in Newton-le-Willows to run directly from Park Road South to Park Road North, so they won’t serve Maple Avenue, Hawthorne Avenue, Acorn Street or Holly Avenue. An extra Monday to Friday bus will be introduced from St Helens Junction to Earlestown Bus Station, which will depart at 0801.
146/245/246/247 (Huyton circulars)
These services will be operated for Merseytravel by HTL Buses. The routes and the times will be unchanged.
156 (Liverpool – Netherton)
Evening and Sunday buses will be re-numbered 56 and Saturday morning buses will be re-numbered 56A. The times will remain unchanged.
156 (St Helens – Garswood or Ashton-in-Makerfield)
Evening and Sunday buses will be operated for Merseytravel by HTL Buses. The evening times at Blackbrook will be changed by 2 minutes.
160/161/162/163/164/165 (Formby circulars)
These services will be operated for Merseytravel by HTL Buses. The routes and the times will be unchanged.
(They will actually be operated by Ace Travel!)
162 (Penny Lane – Crosby)
Sunday morning buses will be operated for Merseytravel by Cumfybus. The route and the times will be unchanged.
174/175 (Heswall circulars)
Both services will be operated for Merseytravel by Arriva.
180 (Liverpool – Liverpool John Lennon Airport)
Buses from Liverpool John Lennon Airport at 0835 and from Liverpool ONE Bus Station at 0935 will be withdrawn.
192 (Halewood – Kirkby)
The Monday to Saturday morning times will be changed, with the two buses that currently finish at Kirkby Civic Centre extending to finish at Kirkby station.
201 (Speke – Royal Liverpool Hospital)
The service will be operated for Merseytravel by ACE Travel. Buses will be extended to start and finish at the Morrisons supermarket in Speke. Some times will be changed.
213 (Birkenhead – Arrowe Park Hospital)
This service will be operated for Merseytravel by Impera. The route and the times will be unchanged.
231 (Maghull circular)
Monday to Friday peak time buses will be withdrawn, but will be replaced by new ACE Travel Route 5 (see above). The remaining Route 231 buses will be operated for Merseytravel by Cumfybus.
232/233 (Maghull circulars)
These services will be operated for Merseytravel by Cumfybus. The routes and the times will be unchanged.
234 (Maghull circular)
This service will be withdrawn, but will be replaced by new Route 4 (see above).
272/273 (Arrowe Park Hospital - Neston)
All Monday to Sunday evening and Sunday daytime buses will be withdrawn.
410 (New Brighton – Clatterbridge Hospital)
Some Monday to Saturday morning times will be changed.
472 (Liverpool – Heswall or Barnston)
Some Arriva Monday to Friday evening mid-journey times will be changed.
500 (Liverpool – Liverpool John Lennon Airport)
Evening buses operated by Arriva will be withdrawn. However, one late evening bus will be introduced by Merseytravel (providing a bus for late evening flight arrivals), departing Liverpool John Lennon Airport at 2350. This bus will be operated by Stagecoach. Buses departing Liverpool John Lennon Airport at 1015 and 1515 will be withdrawn. The service will start an hour earlier, with the first three buses stopping at all bus stops along the route between Liverpool ONE Bus Station and Liverpool John Lennon Airport.
602 (Newton Community Hospital – Ashton or Ashton Heath)
The service will be operated for Merseytravel by HTL Buses.
801 (Springwood Cemetery – Royal Liverpool Hospital)
This service will be withdrawn.
827 (Old Swan – Kirkby)
The morning bus will be operated for Merseytravel by HTL Buses. The bus will start from the bus stop on Prescot Road, near Derby Lane.
835 (Northwood – Liverpool Freeport)
The service will be operated for Merseytravel by Maghull Coaches.
870 (Old Swan – Huyton)
The 0815 bus will be operated for Merseytravel by HTL Buses. The service will start from the bus stop on Prescot Road near Green Lane.
883 (Liverpool John Lennon Airport – Huyton Industrial Estate)
Some extra daytime buses will be introduced, so the service will run throughout the daytime.
897 (Huyton Industrial Estate – Kirkby Admin)
Early morning buses will now also run on bank holidays
898 (Page Moss – Kirkby Admin)
Early morning buses will now also run on bank holidays
901 (Leasowe – Moreton)
The service will be operated for Merseytravel by Cumfybus. The route and the times will be unchanged.
RE: Merseytravel Timetable Changes - St Helens Rider - 01/10/2012 16:50
They have missed out the change of operator on the 152 (St Helens - Rainford) from Cumfy to HTL.
RE: Merseytravel Timetable Changes - TenaciousJ - 01/10/2012 17:29
Still think the changes to the 75/ 78 are absolutely ludicrous. These services are incredibly busy for most of the day and reducing the frequencies is going to make it hell!
RE: Merseytravel Timetable Changes - wirralbus - 01/10/2012 20:57
Sounds like the 78 is being reduced to a point where the passengers start finding other ways of getting to there destinations , dont be surprised if it disappears in the future .
RE: Merseytravel Timetable Changes - 507022 - 01/10/2012 21:18
(01/10/2012 17:29)TenaciousJ Wrote: Still think the changes to the 75/ 78 are absolutely ludicrous. These services are incredibly busy for most of the day and reducing the frequencies is going to make it hell!
It's about time other operators started running some of these (as HTL did with the 75 until 2008) to fill in gaps throughout the day
RE: Merseytravel Timetable Changes - TenaciousJ - 01/10/2012 21:28
(01/10/2012 20:57)wirralbus Wrote: Sounds like the 78 is being reduced to a point where the passengers start finding other ways of getting to there destinations , dont be surprised if it disappears in the future .I can see this happening eventually too, which is stupid considering this bus links several places that other services do not. Arriva has already withdrawn other services like this such as the 86B and 77, eventually it'll end up just being the 75 on its own!
(01/10/2012 21:18)507022 Wrote:Exactly! I remember HTL used to run a few in the morning and afternoon that helped to alleviate some of the congestion and the route 75A helped to make the Ullet Road corridor a bit calmer! Not sure why their services were withdrawn!(01/10/2012 17:29)TenaciousJ Wrote: Still think the changes to the 75/ 78 are absolutely ludicrous. These services are incredibly busy for most of the day and reducing the frequencies is going to make it hell!
It's about time other operators started running some of these (as HTL did with the 75 until 2008) to fill in gaps throughout the day
RE: Merseytravel Timetable Changes - buses7675 - 02/10/2012 09:28
I'm not sure exactly why the HTL 75A (and 10B) were withdrawn but they began operating the 166/188/266/288 Garston Circulars commercially daytimes from the same time so maybe it was just a case of the Garston Circulars were more profitable then the other routes.
Maybe one day someone else will operate the 75 and/or 78 as well as Arriva! The best time for the 78 (frequency wise) was around 2003-5 when Arriva operated a 15 min daytime frequency and GTL also ran it every 30 (or was it 20?) mins!