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RE: Old Liverpool Routes - MPTE1955 - 24/06/2012 10:22
21 was extended not not long after d-reg and went to Towerhill but took in every area of Kirkby starting in towerhill then through Northwood & Southdene before reaching Kirkby Town Centre, it then of course went through Westvale before going towards Aigbuth. A bit later on interestingly what was the 151 route, the number 1 was introduced as a Towerhill-Kirkby Admin circular with some early morning and late afternoon services actually going through Kirkby Industral Estate and not just admin road.
RE: Old Liverpool Routes - MTL0201 - 24/06/2012 11:49
(24/06/2012 10:22)MPTE1955 Wrote: 21 was extended not not long after d-reg and went to Towerhill but took in every area of Kirkby starting in towerhill then through Northwood & Southdene before reaching Kirkby Town Centre, it then of course went through Westvale before going towards Aigbuth. A bit later on interestingly what was the 151 route, the number 1 was introduced as a Towerhill-Kirkby Admin circular with some early morning and late afternoon services actually going through Kirkby Industral Estate and not just admin road.
The 1 was a response to Fairway F1 but more a Kirkby local service, it followed the F1 from Kirkby Admin to Kirkby Station then to Tower Hill via the 19, there was also the 2 Kirkby Admin to Kirkby Station followed the Fareway F2.
RE: Old Liverpool Routes - MPTE1955 - 24/06/2012 12:07
Well yes, the 1 certainly was a local service being, I was thinking that it was in response to the Fareway Service but wasnt sure, I had forgetten about the 2 effectively being a bit like the old 152 used to be. Living in Towerhill, the 1 used to take me to school, funny how the bus company & the school no longer exist.
RE: Old Liverpool Routes - MTL0201 - 25/06/2012 12:18
(24/06/2012 12:07)MPTE1955 Wrote: Well yes, the 1 certainly was a local service being, I was thinking that it was in response to the Fareway Service but wasnt sure, I had forgetten about the 2 effectively being a bit like the old 152 used to be. Living in Towerhill, the 1 used to take me to school, funny how the bus company & the school no longer exist.
The 1 & 2 in Kirkby didn't last long though, but 1 & 2 reappeared around 1990 still compeating with the F1/F2 but going Pier Head to Fazakerley instead.
Do you remember the 18C when that went Pier Head to Kirkby Station, before being cut to Fazakerley, the 9D got extended from Knowsley to Kirkby Station well, before the 9 group was changed to the 8/9 when Liverbus started the 274/275.
RE: Old Liverpool Routes - MPTE1955 - 25/06/2012 14:29
I remember the 18c going to Kirkby, yes and also the 9D, used to like to get that from time to time if going/coming from Liverpool City Centre, The E-reg olympians came out whilst that route was running with those being lovely buses to enjoy that journey on if you were lucky enough to get one. As for the 274/275, used to also get that if going to the city centre when I was studying at Roby College, what a good variety of buses there was to get back then unlike now.
RE: Old Liverpool Routes - MTL0201 - 26/06/2012 10:42
(25/06/2012 14:29)MPTE1955 Wrote: I remember the 18c going to Kirkby, yes and also the 9D, used to like to get that from time to time if going/coming from Liverpool City Centre, The E-reg olympians came out whilst that route was running with those being lovely buses to enjoy that journey on if you were lucky enough to get one. As for the 274/275, used to also get that if going to the city centre when I was studying at Roby College, what a good variety of buses there was to get back then unlike now.
Thinking about the 1 & 2, the 1 & 2 were withdrawn in the 1991 changes, not sure if they reappeared for the bus was with GM Buses, however 1 & 2 reappeared around 1999 this time after Merseybus brought Fareway & dropped the prefix letter F from F1/F2.
RE: Old Liverpool Routes - gka472l - 28/06/2012 20:11
Would be fascinated to see any scans of the old MPTE route maps, separate ones for each division........had them all as a kid (usually acquired on depot visits with my Dad, in the days when a polite ask usually got you round, I remember Gillmoss and seeing nearly all their then new LN2's of the batch from 6080 on depot at once!) but long gone now!
(17/06/2012 19:50)buses7675 Wrote: Although not all that old sometimes, I've begun scanning in some older route timetables I've collected over the last 20 years or so (don't think anything is older than 1992ish when I was 10 unless I've got it later on!)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/buses7675/sets/72157630160700066/with/7388275558/
I'll add more over the coming weeks as I've got piles of 1990s timetables here!
RE: Old Liverpool Routes - skelmersey - 30/06/2012 06:20
(11/06/2012 10:32)MTL0201 Wrote: Liverpool Routes 1977
This is a list of all Liverpool area bus routes from Febuary 1977.
MT=Merseyside Transport
MTI=Merseyside Transport Industrial Service
CRO= Crosville
RiB=Ribble
JS=Joint Service
1/1A/1C/1E Dingle-Seaforth-Netherton. MT
3 Dingle-Walton. MT
4/5 Woolton South Castle Street. MT
6A/6C/6D Huyton-\borwing Park-Pier Head. MT
9/9A/9C/9D Lyme Cross/Knowsley/Longview-Pier Head. MT
10/10A/10B/10D Prescot-Pier Head. MT
11 Huyton-South Castle Street. MT
12/12A/12C Page Moss/Cantril Farm-Pier Head. MT
13 Tower Hill-Kirkby Admin. MT
14A/14C/14D Croxteth/Gillmoss-Pier Head. MT
15/15A Kirkby Admin-Pier Head. MTI
15D Tower Hill-Pier Head. MT
15E Kirkby Admin-Pier Head. MTI
16 Seaforth-Pier Head. MT
17C/17D Fazakerley/Broad Lane-Pier Head. MT
18A/18B Kirkby Admin-Pier Head. MTI
18C/18D Fazakerley/Lower Lane-Pier Head. MT
19/19A/19C/19E Kirkby Admin-Pier Head. MT
20 Aigburth-Fazakerley. MT
25 Aigburth-Walton. MT
26/27 Sheil Road Circular. MT
28 Netherton-Old Haymarket. JS
29 Fazakerley Hospital-Crosby. RI
30/30A Crosby/Netherton-Pier Head. RI
31/32/ New Brighton/Liscard-Liverpool. MT
33 Everton-Seaforth. MTI
34/34C Longview/Cantril Farm-Seaforth. MTI
35 Northwood-Seaforth. MTI
36 Kirkby Admin-Seaforth. MTI
37 Croxteth-Seaforth. MTI
38 Penny Lane-Seaforth. MTI
39 Liverpool-Manchester. JS
40 Huyton-Pier Head. MT
42 Penny Lane-Edge Lane. MTI
43 Cantril Farm-Edge Lane. MTI
44/44D/44E Northwood/Knowsley-Pier Head. MT
44A/44B Kirkby Admin-Pier Head. MTI
45 Longview-Edge Lane. MTI
46 Penny Lane-Walton. MT
47 Croxteth- Edge Lane. MTI
48/49 Bootle Circular. JS
52/W52 Sefton-Walton. JS
53/53A/53B Netherton-Black Bull. JS
54/54A/W54 Lydiate/Netherton/Aintree-Bootle. JS
55/55A Netherton/Ford-Old Haymarket/Pier Head. JS
56 Netherton-Old Haymarket. JS
57/57A Netherton/Orrel-Old Haymerket/Pier Head. JS
58 Litherland-Old Haymarket/Pier Head. JS
59/W59 Old Roan/Netherton-Old Haymarket/Pier Head. JS
60/60D Dingle-Bootle. MT
61 Aigburth-Seaforth. MT
62/62A/63 Speke-Kirkby Civic Centre. MTI
64 Kirkby Civic Centre-Edge Lane. MTI
65/65B/65C Speke/Netherley/Halewood-Edge Lane. MTI
66/66B Garston-Netherley. MT
67 Old Swan-Seaforth. MT
68 Aigburth-Seaforth. MT
70 Page Moss-Huyton. MTI
72 Hunts Cross-Pier Head. MT
73 Woolton-Central Bus Station/Pier Head
73A Netherley-Central Bus Station/Pier Head. MT
75 Huyton-Sir Thomas Street-Pier Head. MT
76 Pier Head-Prescot. CR
77/77A Speke-Penny Lane-Pier Head. MTI
78/78A Halewood/Hunts Cross-Pier Head
79/79A/79B/79C/79D/79E Netherley/Lee Park/Belle Vale-Pier Head. MT
80 Speke-Pier Head. MT
81/81B/81D Speke-Bootle. MT
82/82B/82C Speke-Pier Head. MT
83 Speke-Halewood. MTI
85/85A Speke-Garston-Pier Head. MT
86/87A Pier Head-Garston-Princes Park Gates. MT
88/88A Garston-Halewood. MT
89/89F St Helens-Speke. JS
90 St Helens-Kirkby Station. JS
91 Northwood-Long Lane. MTI
91A Northwood-Gillmoss. MT
92/92C Huyton-Crosby. MT
92A Kirkby-Pier Head. MT
92B Northwood-Pier Head. MT
93 Kirkby Admin-Pier Head. MTI
94 Dingle-Kirkby Admin. MTI
95/95A Gillmoss-Seaforth. MTI
95B Netherton-Gillmoss. MT/RI Joint Industrial Service
96 Kirkby Admin-Black Bull MT/RI Joint Industrial Service
97/97A Page Moss-Kirkby Admin. MTI
97C Cantril Farm-Kirkby Admin. MTI
98/98C Huyton-Cantril Farm-Gillmoss. MTI
99/99A/99B Penny Lane-Lower Lane-Kirkby Admin. MT
99C Penny Lane-Gillmoss. MTI
100 Cityride. MT
211 Bootle-Maghull-Kirkby Admin. RI
300/302 Liverpool-Southport. RI
301 Liverpool-Ormskirk. RI
303 Kirkby-Southport. RI
305 Liverpool-Skelmersdale. RI
306 Liverpool-Ormskirk. RI
307 Liverpool-Maghull. RI
310/340/350 Liverpool-Maghull. RI
311/331 Liverpool-Ormskirk. RI
317/320 Liverpool-St Helens/Wigan. JS
321 Liverpool-Lydiate. JS
335 Liverpool-Skelmersdale. Ribble Limited Stop Industrial Service
336 Liverpool-Skelmersdale. RILS
341 Liverpool-Lydiate. RI
345 Liverpool-Skelmersdale. RI
351 Bootle-Ormskirk. RI
355 Liverpool-Skelmersdale. RI
361 Liverpool-Lydiate. RI
391/392 Maghull-Crosby/Bootle. RI
400 Speke-Seaforth. MT Rapidride
405 Woolton-South Castle Street. MT Rapidride
412 Cantril Farm-Pier Head. MT Rapidride
418/419 Heswall-Liverpool. JS Rapidride
438 Halewood-Seaforth. MT Rapidride
439 Netherley-Seaforth. MT Rapidride
478 Halewood-Pier Head. MT Rapidride
479 Netherley-Pier Head. MT Rapidride
480 Garston-Pier Head. MT Rapidride
486 Garston-Pier Head. mT Rapidride
500 Speke-Kirkby Admin. MT Limited Stop
510 Prescot-South Castle Street. MT Limited Stop
544 Northwood-Central Bus Station. MT Limited Stop
A1 Netherton-Aintree. MT
C1 Crosby-Thornton. RI
C3 Crosby-Waterloo. RI
A/B/C/D Formby Circulars. RI
E Alt Estate-Formby Station. RI
H1 Liverpool-Warrington. CR
H2/H3/H4 Liverpool-Rainhill-Warrington. CR
H5 Liverpool-Warrington. CR
H6 Prescot-Huyton. CR
H7/H8/H9/H10 Prescot-Pier Head. CR
H12/H13 Prescot-Pier Head. CR
H15/H18 Prescot/Huyton-Pier Head. CR
H17 Huyton-Knowsley. CR
H20/H22/H23 Liverpool-Chester. CR
H21/H24 Liverpool-Chester. CR
H25 Liverpool-Runcorn. CR
H99 Mosscroft-Huyton Station. CR
L3 Liverpool-Crosby. RI
L9 Crosby-Waterloo. RI
L11 Crosby-Little Crosby. RI
L21 Bootle-Crosby. RI
L35 Liverpool-Crosby. RI
L45/L85 Liverpool-Thornton. RI
M1/M2/M3 Maghull Circulars. RI
M4 Lydiate-Maghull Station. RI
M5 Dodds Lane-Maghull Station. RI
S2/S4 Liverpool-Formby-Southport
W13 Bootle-Freshfield. RII
W14 Liverpool-Crosby. RII
W15/W16 Crosby-Netherton/Litherland. JSI
W52 Bootle-Sefton. JSI
W54 Bootle-Lydiate. JSI
W59 Scotland Road-Netherton. JSI
X27/X37 Liverpool-Southport/Skipton. RI
JSI=Joint Industrial Service
RII=Ribble Industrial Service
Correct as of Febuary 1977
Bit of a task but can anyone compare todays routes with equivelents or same??
RE: Old Liverpool Routes - M113 YKC - 16/07/2012 11:58
This video might be of interest to somebody:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B66iDVjdoF4&sns=fb
RE: Old Liverpool Routes - MTL0201 - 17/07/2012 17:57
(28/06/2012 20:11)gka472l Wrote: Would be fascinated to see any scans of the old MPTE route maps, separate ones for each division........had them all as a kid (usually acquired on depot visits with my Dad, in the days when a polite ask usually got you round, I remember Gillmoss and seeing nearly all their then new LN2's of the batch from 6080 on depot at once!) but long gone now!
(17/06/2012 19:50)buses7675 Wrote: Although not all that old sometimes, I've begun scanning in some older route timetables I've collected over the last 20 years or so (don't think anything is older than 1992ish when I was 10 unless I've got it later on!)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/buses7675/sets/72157630160700066/with/7388275558/
I'll add more over the coming weeks as I've got piles of 1990s timetables here!
I don't have any pre D-Reg bus maps but i have a few post D-reg maps, & wondering how you make a PDF file from them as it'd be great if i could upload them.