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RE: Stagecoach Merseyside - Gillmoss Depot - Southernsofty - 28/07/2014 07:06
(27/07/2014 21:51)mbonwick Wrote: Probably not service with MY&SL, but there's plenty of other places in group that would gladly take any DDA compliant dart...
Interesting reply, if I have crunched my numbers properly, the current order for for E20Ds should see off every pre 2001/non DDA Dart in Stagecoach by easter 2015, of course some could be used to directly/indirectly replace B10Ms or older MANs leaving the few W & X reg Darts to be replaced in 2015.
Now if I were Stagecoach, I would ensure that no DDA Darts found there way onto the secondhand market until at least 2016, to ensure potential competitors couldn't acquire DDA vehicles 'on the cheap'.
Stagecoach have history in retaining a large 'reserve fleet', If they have elderly/worn out DDA Darts, I suspect that they would sooner 'put them in reserve' and use them for spare parts.
RE: Stagecoach Merseyside - Gillmoss Depot - mbonwick - 28/07/2014 10:24
With thanks to cumbria09..
There are 263 single deck vehicles left to be delivered on this years order. The following vehicles need to be replaced before 2016 due to non-DDA compliance;
63 B10Ms/B10Bs
18 B10BLEs
217 MAN ALX300s
3 Scania L94UBs
145 Darts/SPDs
4 Solos (at Norfolk Green)
5 709Ds
Total: 455 vehicles
455 minus the 263 being delivered leaves 192 to replace on the 2015/6 order.
So as you can see, there will be no desire to chuck out DDA compliant vehicles (unless broken, as in the case of 22310) ahead of that deadline.
Although it is easy to think that E20Ds will only replace Darts, that isn't the case. Ultimately mid-life darts will be cascaded to replace MAN ALX300s, B10Ms etc.
RE: Stagecoach Merseyside - Gillmoss Depot - Wright Eclipse - 28/07/2014 11:01
(28/07/2014 10:24)mbonwick Wrote: With thanks to cumbria09..
There are 263 single deck vehicles left to be delivered on this years order. The following vehicles need to be replaced before 2016 due to non-DDA compliance;
63 B10Ms/B10Bs
18 B10BLEs
217 MAN ALX300s
3 Scania L94UBs
145 Darts/SPDs
4 Solos (at Norfolk Green)
5 709Ds
Total: 455 vehicles
455 minus the 263 being delivered leaves 192 to replace on the 2015/6 order.
So as you can see, there will be no desire to chuck out DDA compliant vehicles (unless broken, as in the case of 22310) ahead of that deadline.
Although it is easy to think that E20Ds will only replace Darts, that isn't the case. Ultimately mid-life darts will be cascaded to replace MAN ALX300s, B10Ms etc.
Solos are ment to be converted to DDA,Wouldnt be surprised if they did that with some ALX300s or Darts
RE: Stagecoach Merseyside - Gillmoss Depot - WhiteVanMan - 28/07/2014 12:04
(28/07/2014 10:24)mbonwick Wrote: With thanks to cumbria09..
There are 263 single deck vehicles left to be delivered on this years order. The following vehicles need to be replaced before 2016 due to non-DDA compliance;
63 B10Ms/B10Bs
18 B10BLEs
217 MAN ALX300s
3 Scania L94UBs
145 Darts/SPDs
4 Solos (at Norfolk Green)
5 709Ds
Total: 455 vehicles
455 minus the 263 being delivered leaves 192 to replace on the 2015/6 order.
So as you can see, there will be no desire to chuck out DDA compliant vehicles (unless broken, as in the case of 22310) ahead of that deadline.
Although it is easy to think that E20Ds will only replace Darts, that isn't the case. Ultimately mid-life darts will be cascaded to replace MAN ALX300s, B10Ms etc.
I thought that the non-DDA compliant Solos at Norfolk Green had been replaced by the cascaded Darts from Carlisle.
RE: Stagecoach Merseyside - Gillmoss Depot - mbonwick - 28/07/2014 12:39
Not entirely sure - I've not seen confirmation of that.
Given current cascade plans for South's Solos, I doubt that the NG ones have been withdrawn just yet.
RE: Stagecoach Merseyside - Gillmoss Depot - 326VFM - 28/07/2014 13:30
(28/07/2014 10:24)mbonwick Wrote: With thanks to cumbria09..
There are 263 single deck vehicles left to be delivered on this years order. The following vehicles need to be replaced before 2016 due to non-DDA compliance;
63 B10Ms/B10Bs
18 B10BLEs
217 MAN ALX300s
3 Scania L94UBs
145 Darts/SPDs
4 Solos (at Norfolk Green)
5 709Ds
Total: 455 vehicles
455 minus the 263 being delivered leaves 192 to replace on the 2015/6 order.
So as you can see, there will be no desire to chuck out DDA compliant vehicles (unless broken, as in the case of 22310) ahead of that deadline.
Although it is easy to think that E20Ds will only replace Darts, that isn't the case. Ultimately mid-life darts will be cascaded to replace MAN ALX300s, B10Ms etc.
May I'm right or wrong that three scania L94UBs from Stagecoach Chester and Wirral?
RE: Stagecoach Merseyside - Gillmoss Depot - mbonwick - 28/07/2014 13:35
You're right - 28531/8/9.
They should be replaced by the Enviro300s going into Gillmoss.
RE: Stagecoach Merseyside - Gillmoss Depot - 326VFM - 28/07/2014 13:45
(28/07/2014 13:35)mbonwick Wrote: You're right - 28531/8/9.Thanks for this, glad to hear that at the moment 28538 and 9 which still in service and when will be withdrawn? I want to know what date of withdrawn, I will catch up with photos both of them before withdrawn.
They should be replaced by the Enviro300s going into Gillmoss.
RE: Stagecoach Merseyside - Gillmoss Depot - mbonwick - 28/07/2014 13:49
I don't think anybody knows when they'll be withdrawn. Depends when the Enviro300s arrive.
RE: Stagecoach Merseyside - Gillmoss Depot - 326VFM - 28/07/2014 13:54
(28/07/2014 13:49)mbonwick Wrote: I don't think anybody knows when they'll be withdrawn. Depends when the Enviro300s arrive.
Okay, Thanks for this. Have any more withdrawn buses Chester and Wirral, so can you give me fleets number details. Just in case I will catch up.